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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:21:00 -
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I would like to reserve 500M (20shares) if this venture makes it trough the A-list and comes to the general public. EVE Knowledge |
Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.04.14 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 14/04/2009 13:53:44
Originally by: LadyOfWrath Well when i finish with my website shares will ONLY be able to be sold via my site, which will require characters to be API verified. Still a work in progress though.
Quote: ISK for all Stock will be sent to LadyOfWrath. (no numbers in the name) Please verify the character is in the corporation "One Stop Mining Shop" and the corporation is a member of the "One Stop Research" Alliance. I am not responsible for any ISK lost because of transfers to wrong characters. Please keep in mind the person requesting stock will be put into my ledger and tracked as such. Only this character can request a transfer to another player in the event stock is sold and I must be contacted to initiate the transfer in my ledger. Failure to do so will result in non-payment. Any stock may be sold to "One Stop Research" at any time during the first six months at 90% value or 100% vale thereafter. Sales to other players is preferred.
By purchasing stock you agree to the terms and conditions stated above. It is the intention of One Stop Research Alliance to create a stable and player transferable stock within the EvE community, and to create a standard for this process.
Since this were your conditions, you are obligated to change your ledger at investors request, althought it is in buyer's interest to do it throught your site, you should allow transactions out there at their own risk.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.04.18 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: eVaLF Question: Will the characters be part of NAV If so how will you calculate them
Remarks: Keep up the good work
Other: Still selling atleast 80(ish) more shaers, my current prices -
2 - 100mil Isk 5 - 225mil Isk 10 - 400mil Isk
I would sell at those prices too, so:
2shares: 95M 5shares: 220M
That's my offer. 20 shares for anyone willing to buy at those prices.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.05.21 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 21/05/2009 11:25:57
I don't like it. If you need more capital and want to sell more shares, you should post how much and why and let the investors decide for every single share increase, because it affects us all. Opening the door for an unlimited (or unfixed) number of shares to be created is not good. I think also that buying new bpos and selling shares should not be linked, that's favouring some individual on the share purchase.
We all passed through a public offering favouring previous investors to purchase shares, some of us saw ourselves forced to buy overpriced shares because of that and what you propose now hurts heavily our chance to sell our shares in the future (more supply, same demand). Add this to the dividends concerns raised before and we see overall loss on the investors side. Less profit and less selling of shares (or price decreased since there is more supply).
I see no buy order on your forums, there is no demand to buy right now, nor any one want to sell right now. If you go ahead with this, it is posible that we see no buy offer there at anytime.
If anyone contacts you wanting shares, point them to the forums. If we need more bpos, buy them independently of share increase. If we need more money, propose a share increase to the shareholders.
PS: If you wanted more ppl to be involved in this, I'd say you should have gone with another system of share asignment in your initial offering, like limiting max amount of shares per investor or reserving a minimun to any investor.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.04 21:33:00 -
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Firstly, I'm glad you're doing it this way, if you need more cash or increased NAV this is the way to go. Now I would like you to answer some questions here or send a brief resume of the questions raised here or through evemail. English is not my native language and I'm not sure that I could follow you in the meeting. My questions are the following: Why is this NAV increase needed? by your own words:
"This business is already in place, and funds are not needed to ramp anything up." Why must be done such expansion? What will improve the expansion? Will it improve the ROI, decrease it or it is just because it can be done? Will this expansion increase the workload? |
Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.04 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: LadyOfWrath Wtih the BPOs i currently have on hand I am starting to see some overages which are currently being supplemented by purchasing needed BPCs off the market. Secondly sales are going very well and in order to increase ROI I need to purchase select BPOs to supplement current research in progress. This expansion is designed to help overall ROI. In its current state this program is set to generate 3% - 4% per month strictly off sales of 100% stock at my values. I have increased that to 4.7% by packaging kits together. After adding needed BPOs that will increase to roughly the 5.5% - 6% mark which is where I wanted it in the first place.
Those are the numbers you were looking for and I hope that answers a lot of your questions regarding this IPO expansion. I kept Ventrilo ope all day yesterday and no one asked to talk about anything. If anyone wants to have a meeting to discuss what I'm doing and where i plan on taking this please let me know.
Nice answer. What number of shares are you aiming at? Are you going to sell those shares at current NAV? Is the 200 limit in adition to the shares investors currently own? If you want to give all shareholders the oportunity to buy shares, I would propose a system based on the minimun purchase. I'll explain it: You put a time limit and all shareholders say the max number of shares they want to purchase, then you go to the minimun amount and assign that number to all buyers, then you go to the next one and assign that number of shares to all shareholders who wants more or the same shares. You do that until all shares are assigned. The last ones assigned at equal number between remaining reservations and the even ones could be assigned by time of posting or max amount wanted. This way you avoid overbuyers and reduce the luck factor based on time, assuring all shareholders the same oportunities and at the same time you can let the remaining shares being sold to high money investors, although you can keep the top limit as well and let those shares go to the public. @t eValf: You can offer to sell your shares in the forum at any time, no need for LoW to buy and sell your shares (he will just secure the transfer between you and any buyer as in any transfer). I would however buy LoW shares before yours unless you sell yours at a discount. Here applies the same rules that applied when you sold your overpriced shares, I don't know why you expect a diferent treatment. The creation of more shares can affect speculation over shares, but thats why it is called speculation, the real value will increase with the ROI.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.05 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: eVaLF Based on what you just said is why I have been against this, those that hold shares right now get screwed in that the market will get saturated and the shares become worth less than actual NAV because of it. Share holders should not have to sell cheaper than NAV because LOW opens up more at NAV when they have been selling higher than NAV.
Doing speculation means that timing is important on when to buy and when to sell. It means that you buy when cheap and sell when expensive. If anyone would need to sell right now, that would be just bad timing and bad luck, other than that this expansion would help investor by increasing ROI.
Also this depends heavily on the number of shares being created, those shares could not make it to the public, and I think that by making a new thread and selling to the public, you could sell them at NAV price, what you can not pretend is being guaranteed to sell them at more than that and at the same time liquidate such a large stock without effort.
The overprice on shares will be restrained depending the number of shares created and the willingness of shareholders to sell (as of today I see no post willing to sell nor to buy other than yours). The real price and ROI is also important to your business, you can sell them more easily if the return on shares is higher, and your base price will be higher too with the pass of months.
@t LoW: The following questions remains unanswered:
Quote: What number of shares are you aiming at? Are you going to sell those shares at current NAV? Is the 200 limit in adition to the shares investors currently own?
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.07 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 07/06/2009 03:59:37
Originally by: LadyOfWrath Edited by: LadyOfWrath on 07/06/2009 03:52:50 At this time all stocks have been sold or are currently reserved pending payment. If you were unable to obtain stocks please be aware One Stop Research will issue 787 new stocks on June 15th at posted stock value pending an investor vote.
If you have any questions or comments please contact me or post here
LoW CEO One Stop Mining Shop CEO One Stop Research Alliance EBANK Staff
Too bad that I didn't have spare isks to invest at this time.
Edit: I'm curious about what other activities was eValf speaking of, would you let us know about them? |
Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.09 12:45:00 -
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Voting yes.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.14 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Komatose
Originally by: LadyOfWrath Still need your votes guys. Cut off for voting is June 14th. Anyone who has not voted by then will be considered a yes vote.
This is not somthing that should be 'acceptable'
Should be considered a abstain IMHO.
Otherwise voting systems would be srsly ****ed :)
What he said. Counting abstains as yes is cheating. If you counts abstains in the way you want, you can obtain any result you want looking at the participation rates that normal votings gets.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.14 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: LadyOfWrath I am no going to spend my time tracking every investor down and making them vote. If they fail to do so in a two week period, which in my opinion, is way more than enough time then they probably just don't care. I have people who invest and never check these boards again. Bottom line is considering I have the controlling stock in the corp the vote would of gone my way a long time ago. I do this simply to hear what my investors have to say as i value their opinions. Many times my investors bring great ideas to the table which I then incorporate into my business. Official stock announcement will be posted tomorrow.
Of course you aren't. And people not voting lose their right to say that they don't want the expansion. Nobody asked for you to make everyone voting. But there is a long way between saying that they didn't exercise their right to vote and saying that their vote was yes. On the issue of making investors voting, I think that an EVEMail would be more than enough for anyone who cares, did you sent one? I can't remember. Also please don't take this comments badly, I apreciate the voting and I think this is the way to make new shares if needed, but I think that the forms are important. |
Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.15 09:41:00 -
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I want to reserve 25 shares. I will pay as soon as the reserve is confirmed. |
Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.06.15 13:10:00 -
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ISK Sent
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.09.27 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Well the important part is that someone takes over as operations manager.
I'd be interested in investing in someone like yourself, BB, if you were interested in raising the capital to buy out OSMS
It really depends on who is taking over the business. Here in EVE we invest on people, not just in businesses.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.10.30 20:14:00 -
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I don't understand why would you want to lock yourself for a full year if you want to get rid of the business. Is the workload change big enough to make you change your mind on selling the business? Does it means that buying supercarriers you'll want to stay in the business and you'll not sell it until you change your mind again? How do you know the profits will stay the same? Are you based on actual market movements or just guessing? Is it that the ship BPC doesn't count much on the price?
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2010.01.11 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: LadyOfWrath Investor Vote
As many of you know we had recently decided to remove stocks from circulation. There was a few concerns over this, but not enough to warrent not doing it. Below you will find a few options laid out for One Stop Research to continue current operations.
1.) Continue growing to the 200b NAV mark then start paying Dividends. This will allow One Stop Research to aquire additonal capital ship BPOs needed to supplement the current growing inventory of capital component BPCs.
2.) Start Paying Dividends now and cap the NAV at 150b. This would mean anything in excess of 150b would be paid out as a dividend on the 1st of each month.
3.) Shrink the amount of ISK over the 150b NAV mark by buying up stocks with corporations liquid ISK. This will in effect be slowly making the corporation a private endevour. This will cause a rise in Stock value but not as much as paying dividends on a regular basis.
Investors please let me know what avenue you would like to progress towards.
Looks like I'm late for the buying shares debate, anyway if you have reached the maximun research capacity, why would you want to increase the NAV further? If you have liquid unusued money the best thing to do is pay and reward your investors. The shares have been always bought over the NAV price due to the high quality of the company afaik and buying back shares at that price will damage the NAV and value and at the same time, it pictures one of two scenarios: 1)The shares lose value constantly (or reduce their rate of grow) losing the quality that now have, not rewarding the left investors because you do not pay dividends. 2)People refuses to sell because you plan on giving dividends later or the shares increase their traded value because they will net more benefit, leaving your buy order as the floor untouched price. Option 3 is the worst option for the company's health. The only reasons to buy shares would be if the trading price were falling and people could not sell their orders or to close business. If you feel that we need a split to reach more manageable price per share do the split now. 20M/share is as nice or even more than 25M/share, if high price per share is an issue, I don't see why we need to wait until it reaches 50M. I suppose option 1 implies setting up new laboratories and buying bpos, increasing the load, needing an extra effort now to set it up and then to maintain it. Seeing how not much time ago you planned on selling the company and now it seems to have reached a nice equilibrium, I would vote option 2 with no doubt. Increasing the NAV will make much more difficult to liquidate if/when we reach to that situation again.
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2010.01.18 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 18/01/2010 21:03:28
I have requested that Grendell do the payments to shareholders directly instead of paying you (LoW) to pay us. This is not because there is a trust issue, but because there is no honest reason for the money to pass through more hands than the strictly necesary, and it will protect the venture against future disputes in the rare case you run with the isks. When further securities are so easy to take (Grendell will have access to both isks and assets anyway) is stupid not to take a small step to avoid exposure. It's a pity you're selling the business, since the new venture doesn't look as interesting as yours, but I suppose everything has an end and it will at least be a smooth end with little hassle. It has been a pleasure discussing the advances and seeing the venture grow. I only missed a more active group of shareholders sharing opinions and discussing changes. Thanks for the ride. PS: I've just seen that you didn't answered to this: Quote: I have listed the remainder of my stocks for sale via my stock market on my website. I am selling them to repay the 18b bond I have open and to raise ISK to purchase a T2 BPO offered to me from a friend.
This will make this IPO 100% public and allow me to invest more of my personal funds into my T2 project. Also decided to reactivate my alt to do some more pvping. The IPO will still be run as normal and the current vote will last through 1 Feb 09. So based on what people vote for is where the IPO will go over the next few months.
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Originally by: LadyOfWrathAll stocks have been reserved pending payment. Stocks held for 48 hours at request.
Mind to clarify on this? Also, what happens with the profits that you put up to buy shares? Are those included in the sell? Will our shares increase in price if someone sells to that offer?
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Krathos Morpheus
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Posted - 2010.01.20 23:03:00 -
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Interesting... Has the time for personal attacks arrived?
Quote: Besides, he doesn¦t know how much I¦m paying for the Mining Shop - it is only one part of the deal.
As an investor I demand to know which one is the other part of the deal.
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